Contents 1 Numerous problems with this template 1.1 Possible redesigns 2 Alphabetizing 3 What are they? 4 DEA ?

Numerous problems with this template

About a quarter of the degrees listed use periods (US style) and the remaining three-quarters do not (UK style). Unless there is a compelling reason, one style or the other should be used consistently; as it is, this display looks sloppy and indecisive. It's also missing a number of comtemporary forms, including S.M. and the entire class of Engineer's Degrees (E.E., C.E., et alia, given out by some Engineering schools as a slightly more advanced version of a Master's). Many first-professional degrees are also missing, including D.D.S., D.M.D., D.V.M., and D.O. Finally, many of the links point only to a disambiguation page from which the correct expansion may not be at all obvious. 121a0012 06:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but its rather a lot of degrees.. might it be possible to simplify by country/region or by broad subject area/level of competence? Also I don't want to click on every one of the links to find out what they are.

Given that some of the links link to disambigs, all of them should expand to the full degree title without redirecting through the acronym, then one could simply hover the mouse over the link and see what the degree stands for. 218.103.142.7 13:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Agreed with the consistancy issue: see Talk:Academic_degree#Consistancy_with_academic_degrees_template --Ec- 06:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

It needs to be split up, first and foremost. There are more links on this template than the Cold War, and that one is sprawling. I propse a small box between higher-level articles linking only the top-level headers: Bachelor's, Master's, etc., and then templates for each of those pages with all of the specific distinctions. (BA, BLA, BBA...) Thoughts? ALTON .ıl 08:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

First, let's try to cleanup this template by getting rid of all non-links, all red links, all links to fields of study that don't really talk about the degree. Those have no navigational value, and lists like that are best left to the general articles at the left hand side. –Pomte 08:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

It is easier to edit a couple small ones than this behemoth. Much talk has been done for several years and the table keeps getting bigger. I want to try something like:

Academic degrees v • d • e
Associate's degrees (U.S.) • Foundation degrees (U.K.) • Bachelor's degrees • Master's degrees
Licentiate degrees: • Specialist degrees • Engineer's degrees • First professional degrees • Doctoral degrees

And then create the appropriate smaller boxes for each one. Something should be done. Many people are upset by the current state. ALTON .ıl 05:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Great, I fully support this version. There doesn't have to be smaller boxes for each because those main articles handle them in more informative lists, but if you want to take the effort to sort out the redirects, go ahead. –Pomte 06:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. As no opposition appears just yet, I'll go ahead with this, but in a while. Ironically around this time our AP tests pop up, so I'll minimize wikying for a while, doing minor edits instead of these overhauls. ALTON .ıl 06:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't like the change very much...it used to be so convenient to jump from one degree page to another. --HappyCamper 14:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Possible redesigns

Now that the new template has been up for a while, I would like to try and introduce the degrees with articles back in as ALTON has suggested above. I do think it is convenient to have links to jump between related degrees without going through a list page. How about creating 8 templates (one for each type of degree) to go within this one. By default, they can all be collapsed, so it would not take up much space. I'll try to make an example in the next few days. --Scott Alter 06:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

How about this for a new design?

v • d • e Academic degrees       Associate's degrees (U.S.)   Foundation degrees (U.K.)   Bachelor's degrees   Master's degrees   Licentiate degrees   Specialist degrees   Engineer's degrees   First professional degrees   Doctoral degrees

I just took the lists of degrees from the previous version of the template. Those without articles could be taken out, if desired. --Scott Alter 00:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Here is another possible design if anyone is interested:

v • d • e Academic degrees   Associate's degrees (U.S.)   Foundation degrees (U.K.)   Bachelor's degrees   Master's degrees   Licentiate degrees   Specialist degrees   Engineer's degrees   First professional degrees   Doctoral degrees

--scottalter 06:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Alphabetizing

Should the degrees be alphabetized within their respective subject groupings? - Draeco 23:53, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that they should. Cmcnicoll 11:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

What are they?

There are a large number of red-linked degrees in this template, many of which I can't even identify. I suggest moving links to non-existent pages here, to the talk page, until pages can be created describing the degree in question. --DrGaellon (talk | contribs) 01:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

DEA ?

The former french degree of DEA is mentionned in this template. Maybe it is a bit useless to mention a former degree used by only a handful of countries directly on the template. A simple reference in master's degree should be enough, I think. 88.178.189.194 (talk) 11:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)